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Response to claims made in "Chapter 2: The Marketing of an Image"
|Chapter 1: Mormons on Your Doorstep||
A FairMormon Analysis of: Mormonism Unmasked, a work by author: R. Philip Roberts
|Chapter 3: The Making of a Religion|
- Response to claim: 16 - "Mormonism therefore practices proselytization, of the conversion of a person, not just to faith in the Christ of Mormonism but to the Mormon Church itself"
- Response to claim: 16 - converts to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are encouraged to "renounce the validity of their own denominations"
- Response to claim: 17 - the Book of Mormon is "fallacious" and that it contradicts "all that historians and anthropologists know about the Americas"
- Response to claim: 18 - Mormons teach that if the whole family "obeys and serves the church, then they will spend eternity together"
- Response to claim: 19 - the concept of performing ordinances for deceased relatives is contrary to the Bible
- Response to claim: 19-20 - "Generally the claim of the LDS Church to be the one true Church, the fact that LDS baptism is essential for eternal progression, and questions raised about the integrity of the Bible are not mentioned by the missionaries to potential converts"
- Response to claim: 20 - Mormonism "adds a nonbiblical dimension" to the law of tithing by "teaching that tithing is essential to gain the celestial kingdom
- Response to claim: 21 - "since the general authorities of Mormonism are comprised of business executives, there is a built-in stratum of money-making minds within the church hierarchy"
- Response to claim: 22 - Joseph Smith stated that "all Christian denominations were wrong, their confessions an abomination, and their professors and members corrupt"
- Response to claim: 25 - "due to the negative connotation of the word Mormon and its identification with anti-Christian beliefs, now the 'Mormons urge use of formal name'-The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"
- Response to claim: 25 - "on the surface, Mormons sometimes look and sound Christian"
Response to claim: 16 - "Mormonism therefore practices proselytization, of the conversion of a person, not just to faith in the Christ of Mormonism but to the Mormon Church itself"
The author states that, "Mormonism therefore practices proselytization, of the conversion of a person, not just to faith in the Christ of Mormonism but to the Mormon Church itself."
(Author's sources: Author's opinion)
Response to claim: 16 - converts to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are encouraged to "renounce the validity of their own denominations"
The author claims that converts to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are encouraged to "renounce the validity of their own denominations."
(Author's sources: Not provided.)
Question: Do Mormons believe that everyone else will be "damned"?
Mormons believe that almost all people will receive a greater salvation than they anticipate
Since the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints claims to be "the only true Church," does this mean that the LDS believe that everyone else will be damned? And, since the Church teaches that the dead will have the opportunity to hear the gospel preached to them, doesn't this imply that the witness given to those "after death" will be so compelling that virtually everyone will become "a Mormon"?
Almost all people will receive a greater salvation than they anticipate. The coming of the Lord, or the preaching to departed spirits after death, will not compel belief.
These teachings highlight the necessity of good-will and tolerance among peoples and religions—if the Lord in his glory will allow each religion and group to live peaceably, should we not do the same now?
Leaders of the Church have long taught that a kingdom of glory and salvation is granted to almost everyone
Leaders of the Church have long taught that a kingdom of glory and salvation is granted to almost everyone, save perhaps those who fully follow Satan as "sons of perdition."
Elder Dallin H. Oaks taught:
For Latter-day Saints, being “saved” can also mean being saved or delivered from the second death (meaning the final spiritual death) by assurance of a kingdom of glory in the world to come (see [1 Corinthians 15:40-42). Just as the Resurrection is universal, we affirm that every person who ever lived upon the face of the earth—except for a very few—is assured of salvation in this sense...The prophet Brigham Young taught that doctrine when he declared that “every person who does not sin away the day of grace, and become an angel to the Devil, will be brought forth to inherit a kingdom of glory”. This meaning of saved ennobles the whole human race through the grace of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. In this sense of the word, all should answer: “Yes, I have been saved. Glory to God for the gospel and gift and grace of His Son!”
President Brigham Young
Brigham Young taught much about the continuation of a variety of belief systems and religious practices in the hereafter:
15 August 1852
With your mind's eye look at the millions of them in all nations who are doing according to the best knowledge they possess. What! the Roman Catholics? Yes, and then every one of her daughters down to the latest Protestant Church that has been organized. They are all doing just as well as they can, and living according to the best light they have—a great many of them, though not all. What shall we do with them? They pass from the world, their spirits go into the spiritual world, and their bodies go back to their mother earth, and there sleep, while their spirits are before the Lord.
Are they happy? Every son and daughter of Adam who live according to the best light and knowledge they have, when the go into the spiritual world, are happy in proportion to their faithfulness. For instance, take a view of some of our late reformers; take the best specimen of reformers that we have, who are all the time full of glory and happiness and full of praise to the Lord—who meet together oft and sing and pray and preach and shout and give thanks to the Lord Almighty; and in a great many instances and in a great degree they enjoy much of a good spirit, which is the Spirit of the Lord, or the Light of Christ, which lighteth the world.
Now, this may be singular to some. What! they enjoy the Spirit of the Lord? Yes, every man and woman, according to their faith and the knowledge they have in their possession. They enjoy the goodness of their Father in heaven. Do they receive the Spirit of the Lord? They do, and enjoy the light of it, and walk in it, and rejoice in it.
What will be their state hereafter? Every faithful Methodist that has lived up to and faithfully fulfilled the requirements of his religion, according to the best light he had, doing good to all and evil to none, injuring no person upon the earth, honouring his God as far he knew, will have as great a heaven as he ever anticipated in the flesh, and far greater. Every Presbyterian, and every Quaker, and every Baptist, and every Roman Catholic member,—every reformer, of whatever class or grade, that lives according to the best light they have, and never have had an opportunity of receiving a greater light than the one in their possession, will have and enjoy all they live for.
I am telling you the truth as it is, and you may write it down if you please, and call it revelation if you will. But it has been revealed before I revealed it here to-day. This is the situation of Christendom after death.
You may go among the Pagans, or among all the nations there are, and they have their religion, their sacraments, and ceremonies, which are as sacred to them as ours are to us: they are just as precious and dear to them, though we call them heathen. They are idolatrous worshippers; yet their religion is as sacred to them as ours is to us. If they live according to the best light they have in their religion, God is God over all and the Father of us all; we are all the workmanship of his hands; and if they are ignorant, filled with superstition, and have the traditions of the fathers interwoven like a mantle around and over them, that they cannot see any light, so will they be judged; and if they have lived according to what they did possess, so they will receive hereafter.
15 August 1852
How many glories and kingdoms will there be in eternity? You will see the same variety in eternity as you see in the world. For instance, you see here one class of men who have lived according to the best light they had: you may go among the heathen, or among the Christians, it is no matter; I will call them all Christians, or all heathens, if it will accommodate any body's feelings, for they don't come much short of all being heathen. We will take the best men we can find among them,—when they pass through the veil they are in happiness, they are in glory, they go among the disembodied spirits; but they do not go where there are resurrected bodies, for they cannot live there: a Prophet or an Apostle cannot live there. They also go into the spiritual world to live with spirits. Do they commune with the Father and Son? The Father communes with them as he pleases, through the means of angels, or otherwise the Son and the Holy Ghost. This is the situation of the Prophet, the Apostle, and all Saints before they receive their resurrected bodies; but they are looking forward to the time when they shall receive their bodies from the dust; and those that have been faithful, probably, will now soon get their resurrected bodies. Abraham has had his body long ago, and dwells with the Father and the Son, among all the Prophets and faithful Saints who received their resurrected bodies immediately after the resurrection of the Saviour. They were then prepared to enter into the Father's rest and be crowned with glory and eternal lives; but they were not prepared before.
No spirit of Saint or sinner, of the Prophet or him that kills the Prophet, is prepared for their final state: all pass through the veil from this state and go into the world of spirits; and there they dwell, waiting for their final destiny. It no doubt appears a singular idea to you that both Saint and sinner go to the same place and dwell together in the same world. You can see the same variety in this world. You see the Latter-day Saints, who have come into these valleys,—they are by themselves as a community, yet they are in the same world with other communities. But I do not feel as though I am dwelling where there are six or eight kinds of religion or more, and, after all, no religion at all; I am not dwelling where there is cursing, and swearing, and horse-racing, and gambling, and everything else that is calculated to disturb a peaceable community. Though I am in the same world where all this exists, I am not dwelling where it is, nor am I disturbed by it; but I am peaceable and serving the Lord.
You can see the variety here. The Presbyterians can go away by themselves and build cities and towns, and try to prohibit all other persons who are not Presbyterians from dwelling with them: the Methodists can do the same; the Baptists can do the same. We have the privilege of organizing society in the world as we please, in one sense. This is what Mr. Owen calls Socialism. He says mankind are controlled by circumstances, and others say that mankind govern and control circumstances. Both are true. We govern and control circumstances; but when we come into circumstances which the Lord controls, we are then controlled by circumstances. I and my brethren can go and settle down in a certain part; and if you choose, we can go into merchandising or stock-raising; and if we choose, we can live without a family, like a Shaker. In this way we can control circumstances in a great degree, while there are circumstances over which we have no control. All this exhibits precisely the situation of the people hereafter: they control circumstances to a great degree, and sometimes circumstances control them. When they are in the world of spirits, there is the Prophet and the Patriarch; all righteous men are there, and all wicked men also are there.
7 October 1857
Many have thought that all will believe in the revelations of the Lord Jesus Christ when the kingdom of God is fully established; but they will not; and if those characters were in heaven, they might believe, but would not obey the revelations of Jesus Christ. There are multitudes in this Church who have not yet learned these truths; and there are multitudes in the world who would not know Jesus, were he to pass before their eyes, and would not understand what he meant, if he were to speak to them. Such will be the case in the millennium.
22 May 1859
When all nations are so subdued to Jesus that every knee shall bow and every tongue shall confess, there will still be millions on the earth who will not believe in him; but they will be obliged to acknowledge his kingly government. You may call that government ecclesiastical, or by whatever term you please; yet there is no true government on earth but the government of God, or the holy Priesthood. Shall I tell you what that is? In short, it is a perfect system of government—a kingdom of Gods and angels and all beings who will submit themselves to that government.
23 December 1866
If the Latter-day Saints think, when the kingdom of God is established on the earth, that all the inhabitants of the earth will join the church called Latter-day Saints, they are egregiously mistaken. I presume there will be as many sects and parties then as now. Still, when the kingdom of God triumphs, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ, to the glory of the Father. Even the Jews will do it then; but will the Jews and Gentiles be obliged to belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? No; not by any means. Jesus said to his disciples, "in my Father's house are many mansions; were it not so I would have told you; I go to prepare a place for you, that where I am, there ye may be also," &c. There are mansions in sufficient numbers to suit the different classes of mankind, and a variety will always exist to all eternity, requiring a classification and an arrangement into societies and communities in the many mansions which are in the Lord's house, and this will be so for ever and ever. Then do not imagine that if the kingdom of God is established over the whole earth, that all the people will become Latter-day Saints. They will cease their persecutions against the Church of Jesus Christ, and they will be willing to acknowledge that the Lord is God, and that Jesus is the Savior of the world.
Response to claim: 17 - the Book of Mormon is "fallacious" and that it contradicts "all that historians and anthropologists know about the Americas"
The author claims that the Book of Mormon is "fallacious" and that it contradicts "all that historians and anthropologists know about the Americas."
Question: What criticisms are raised with regard to Book of Mormon archaeology compared to that of the Bible?
Sectarian critics who accept the Bible claim that the Bible has been "proven" by archaeology
Sectarian critics who accept the Bible, but not the Book of Mormon, sometimes claim that the Bible has been "proven" or "confirmed" by archaeology, and insist that the same cannot be said for the Book of Mormon.
The claim that there is no archaeological evidence supporting the Book of Mormon is incorrect
The claim that, unlike the Bible, there is no archaeological evidence supporting the Book of Mormon is based on naive and erroneous assumptions. Without epigraphic New World evidence (which is currently extremely limited from Book of Mormon times), we are unable to know the contemporary names of ancient Mesoamerican cities and kingdoms. To dismiss the Book of Mormon on archaeological grounds is short-sighted. Newer archaeological finds are generally consistent with the Book of Mormon record even if we are unable (as yet) to know the exact location of Book of Mormon cities.
- What would a "Nephite pot" look like? What would "Nephite" or "Lamanite" weapons look like?
- Think about the Old World--how do you tell the difference between Canaanite pots and houses and garbage dumps, and Israelite pots and houses and garbage dumps? You can't. If we didn't have the Bible and other written texts, we'd have no idea from archaelogy that Israelites were monotheists or that their religion differed from the Canaanites who lived along side them.
- We also know very little about the names of cities in the New World from before the Spanish Conquest. So, even if we found a Nephite city, how would we know? We don't know what the pre-Columbian name for a city was (or how to pronounce them)--so, even if we had found, say, "Zarahemla," how would we know?
Note: Many of the topics sometimes addressed in archaeological critiques of the Book of Mormon are treated in detail on the Book of Mormon "anachronism" page.
Response to claim: 18 - Mormons teach that if the whole family "obeys and serves the church, then they will spend eternity together"
The author claims that Mormons teach that if the whole family "obeys and serves the church, then they will spend eternity together."
Mormons teach that if one accepts the atonement of Jesus Christ, and receives the necessary ordinances, that they will be able to spend eternity together with their family.
Response to claim: 19 - the concept of performing ordinances for deceased relatives is contrary to the Bible
The author claims that the concept of performing ordinances for deceased relatives is contrary to the Bible. He bases this upon Hebrews 9:27: "it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment." The author claims that there is no "second chances for salvation after death - only judgment."
Question: Does the practice of baptism for the dead have ancient roots?
There is considerable evidence that some early Christians and some Jewish groups performed proxy ordinance work for the salvation of the dead
The most obvious of these is 1 Corinthians 15:29:
- Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
Attempts to shrug this off as a reference by Paul to a practice he does not condone but only uses to support the doctrine of the resurrection are indefensible. Paul's statement makes no sense unless the practice was valid and the saints in Corinth knew it. This is easily demonstrated if we just imagine a young Protestant, who doubts the resurrection, who goes to his pastor with his problem. The pastor answers him, saying, "But what about the Mormons who baptize for the dead? If the dead rise not at all, why are they then baptized for the dead?" You know what the young doubter would say. He would say, "Pastor, they're Mormons! What's your point?"
In fact, we know that baptism for the dead was practiced for a long time in the early church. As John A. Tvedtnes has noted:
- ... historical records are clear on the matter. Baptism for the dead was performed by the dominant church until forbidden by the sixth canon of the Council of Carthage in A.D. 397. Some of the smaller sects, however, continued the practice. Of the [Cerinthians] of the fourth century, Epiphanius wrote:
- “In this country—I mean Asia—and even in Galatia, their school flourished eminently and a traditional fact concerning them has reached us, that when any of them had died without baptism, they used to baptize others in their name, lest in the resurrection they should suffer punishment as unbaptized.” (Heresies, 8:7.) 
Thus, baptism for the dead was banned about four hundred years after Christ by the church councils. Latter-day Saints would see this as an excellent example of the apostasy—church councils altering doctrine and practice that was accepted at an earlier date.
- In early Judaism, too, there is an example of ordinances being performed in behalf of the dead. Following the battle of Marisa in 163 B.C., it was discovered that each of the Jewish soldiers killed in the fight had been guilty of concealing pagan idols beneath his clothing. In order to atone for their wrong, Judas Maccabaeus, the Jewish high priest and commander, collected money from the survivors to purchase sacrificial animals for their dead comrades:
- “And when he had made a gathering throughout the company to the sum of two thousand drachmas of silver, he sent it to Jerusalem to offer a sin offering, doing therein very well and honestly, in that he was mindful of the resurrection: for if he had not hoped that they that were slain should have risen again, it had been superfluous and vain to pray for the dead. And also in that he perceived that there was great favour laid up for those that died godly, it was an holy and good thought. Whereupon he made a reconciliation for the dead, that they might be delivered from sin.” (2 Maccabees 12:43–46.) 
Response to claim: 19-20 - "Generally the claim of the LDS Church to be the one true Church, the fact that LDS baptism is essential for eternal progression, and questions raised about the integrity of the Bible are not mentioned by the missionaries to potential converts"
The author claims that, "Generally the claim of the LDS Church to be the one true Church, the fact that LDS baptism is essential for eternal progression, and questions raised about the integrity of the Bible are not mentioned by the missionaries to potential converts."
This claim is nonsense.
Response to claim: 20 - Mormonism "adds a nonbiblical dimension" to the law of tithing by "teaching that tithing is essential to gain the celestial kingdom
The author states that Mormonism "adds a nonbiblical dimension" to the law of tithing by "teaching that tithing is essential to gain the celestial kingdom. Tithing, therefore, becomes a work that contributes toward achieving a higher level of salvation."
The author claims that "since the general authorities of Mormonism are comprised of business executives, there is a built-in stratum of money-making minds within the church hierarchy" and that "Mormons use high-powered investments to produce an empire of financial enterprise."
Response to claim: 22 - Joseph Smith stated that "all Christian denominations were wrong, their confessions an abomination, and their professors and members corrupt"
The author claims that Joseph Smith stated that "all Christian denominations were wrong, their confessions an abomination, and their professors and members corrupt."
(Author's sources: Joseph Smith-History 1:19, Pearl of Great Price (Salt Lake City: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 1981).)
The author has borne false witness regarding Joseph Smith's statement.
Joseph Smith-History 1:19 states:
I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
- Note how the author has altered the meaning of this passage
- Joseph Smith: "all their creeds were an abomination in his sight". Author: "all Christian denominations were wrong, their confessions an abomination."
- Joseph Smith: "those professors were all corrupt." Author: "their professors and members corrupt."
Response to claim: 25 - "due to the negative connotation of the word Mormon and its identification with anti-Christian beliefs, now the 'Mormons urge use of formal name'-The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints"
The author claims that "due to the negative connotation of the word Mormon and its identification with anti-Christian beliefs, now the 'Mormons urge use of formal name'The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."
Mormons have always urged the use of the formal name of the Church.
Response to claim: 25 - "on the surface, Mormons sometimes look and sound Christian"
The author states that "on the surface, Mormons sometimes look and sound Christian."
(Author's sources: None provided)
Mormons believe that Jesus Christ is the savior of the world.
Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints unequivocally affirm themselves to be Christians. They worship God the Eternal Father in the name of Jesus Christ. When asked what the Latter-day Saints believe, Joseph Smith put Christ at the center: “The fundamental principles of our religion is the testimony of the apostles and prophets concerning Jesus Christ, ‘that he died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended up into heaven;’ and all other things are only appendages to these, which pertain to our religion.”1 The modern-day Quorum of the Twelve Apostles reaffirmed that testimony when they proclaimed, “Jesus is the Living Christ, the immortal Son of God. … His way is the path that leads to happiness in this life and eternal life in the world to come.”
- See D&C 76:28-38
- (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young , 288)
- Dallin H. Oaks, "Have You Been Saved?," Ensign (May 1998), 55, (italics in original).
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 6:292-293.
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 6:293-295.
- Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 5:330-330.
- Brigham Young, "Necessity Of Trials — Glory Of The Saints' Religion — Government Of God, etc.," (22 May 1859) Journal of Discourses 7:142-?.
- Brigham Young, "Union—Persecution—The Nature of the Kingdom of God—Trading With Enemies—The Jews—On the Murder of Dr. Robinson," (23 December 1866) Journal of Discourses 11:275.
- The source erroneously refers to the "Marcionites" instead of the "Cerinthians".
- John A. Tvedtnes, "Proxy Baptism," Ensign (February 1977), 86. off-site
- John A. Tvedtnes, "Proxy Baptism," Ensign (February 1977), 86. off-site