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===Accusing First Presidency of transgression===
 
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===Priesthood authority not necessary===
 
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|L1=False claim: the Church claims to "control the Holy Ghost"
 
|L2="We must all find salvation for ourselves"
 
|L3="it does not matter whether there is an officiator with authority from God on the earth or not"
 
|L4="the responsibility to live so as to invite the Spirit is all you need"
 
|L5="the required priestly authority is still available through the veil"
 
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===Other doctrinal claims===
 
* '''[[#"Deviated" from proper wording for baptism|Response to claim: "Deviated" from proper wording for baptism]]'''
 
* '''[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Denver Snuffer/Doctrinal claims#"Tithing is for the poor"|Response to claim: "Tithing is for the poor"]]'''
 
* '''[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Denver Snuffer/Doctrinal claims#"If you knew what God was up to, you could prevent it"|Response to claim: "If you knew what [God] was up to, you could prevent it"]]'''
 
* '''[[Criticism of Mormonism/Online documents/Denver Snuffer/Doctrinal claims#"You should ordain no one to an office" in the priesthood|Response to claim: "You should ordain no one to an office" in the priesthood]]
 
  
=="Deviated" from proper wording for baptism==
 
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|claim="When I was baptized into the LDS Church, the baptismal prayer was, "Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father..." When I was rebaptized, I was rebaptized by one who had authority from Christ, therefore, in that baptisms the words were, "Having authority given me of Jesus Christ…" If all you are going to do is baptize someone again according to the LDS pattern, with the commission in the Church, do not bother doing it. But if you follow these principles, and if the Spirit empowers you to baptize, then baptize having authority from Christ and follow His words. We have deviated long enough. It is time to return."<ref>{{CriticalWork:Snuffer:Mesa|pages=16}}</ref>
 
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Snuffer claims to sustain Joseph Smith, but claims that Joseph's instructions about the prayer were a "deviation" that he (Snuffer) is now to set right.
 
  
=="Tithing is for the poor"==
 
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=="If you knew what God was up to, you could prevent it"==
 
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|claim="Prophecy is not given so you can anticipate the details beforehand. Prophecy is only given so that after the event takes place, you can then understand the scriptures’ meaning. Only after He has acted can you understand how the Lord intended to accomplish His will and fulfill His promise. Prophecy’s purpose is not to allow you beforehand to know the events with enough specificity so that God's will could be anticipated, prevented, and frustrated. If you knew what He was up to, you could prevent it. But because you do not, when the prophecies are fulfilled, then you know the Lord has acted. God can use any means He chooses to accomplish His promises. Everything God is doing is not disclosed at the time it is underway."<ref>{{CriticalWork:Snuffer:Mesa|pages=11}}</ref>
 
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=="You should ordain no one to an office" in the priesthood==
 
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