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==Question: Is it true that there is no mention of Joseph Smith seeing the Father and Son in any “contemporary” newspaper, diary, LDS publication, or writing of any kind until the year 1838?==
===The eyewitnesses, and the periods of time their recitals cover, demonstrate that Joseph Smith talked about seeing the Father and Son on a regular basis and over an extended period of time prior to 1838===

The eyewitnesses, and the periods of time their recitals cover, demonstrate that Joseph Smith talked about seeing the Father and Son on a regular basis and over an extended period of time&mdash;before he had the 1838 Church history written down. 

In ''The Reflector'', vol. 2, no. 13, 14 February 1831 it is said that four LDS missionaries were teaching in [[First_Vision/1830_statement_about_seeing_%22God%22|'''November 1830''']] that Joseph Smith had seen "God" personally. The 1832 historical recital listed below and the 1835 historical recounting below both qualify as 'contemporary' accounts. 

Altogether there are at least eight eyewitness contemporary and reminiscent accounts that confirm Joseph Smith taught between 1831 and 1837 that the Father and Son (two personages) were present during his inaugural manifestation from heaven. 

===May 1831 – November 1833: John Alger===
:A. Karl Larson and Katharine Miles Larson, eds., ''Diary of Charles Lowell Walker'' (Logan, UT: Utah State University Press, 1980), 2:755–56 [recorded 2 February 1893]. 

===ca. 12 November 1831: Lorenzo Snow===
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He certainly could not have been deceived, it seemed to me, and if he was a deceiver he was deceiving the people knowingly; for when '''he testified that he had had a conversation with Jesus, the Son of God, and had talked with Him personally, as Moses is said to have talked with God upon Mount Sinai, and that he had also heard the voice of the Father,''' he was telling something that he either knew to be false or positively true. I was not at that time what might be called a religious boy, but I was interested in what I saw and heard there...<br>
&mdash;''Deseret Evening News'', no. 207 (20 July 1901), 22. {{link|url=http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045555/1901-07-20/ed-1/seq-22/}} {{ea}}
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===ca. 27 November 1832: Joseph Smith historical document===
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...a piller of <del>fire</del> light above the brightness of the sun at noon day come down from above and rested upon me and I was filled with the spirit of god and the <ins>Lord</ins> opened the heavens upon me and I saw the Lord and he spake unto me saying Joseph <ins>my son</ins> thy sins are forgiven thee. go thy <ins>way</ins> walk in my statutes and keep my commandments...<br>Dean C. Jessee, ed., ''Personal Writings of Joseph Smith'', rev. ed. (Salt Lake City and Provo, UT: Deseret Book and BYU Press, 2002), 9–12.
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{{SeeAlso|Primary sources/Joseph Smith, Jr./First Vision accounts/1832}}
{{SeeAlso|First Vision/Accounts/1832/Only one Personage appears|l1=Only one Personage appears in the 1832 account}}

===9 August 1834 – 9 August 1835: Samuel W. Richards===
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When I was but ten years old, at my home in the State of Massachusetts, '''I heard the report that a young man in the west named Joseph Smith had been visited by God and His Son Jesus Christ was with him.'''<br><br>
Not long after hearing this, two men came into the town where I was living and called at my father's house as missionaries. From them we learned the facts of the wonderful message they were bearing to the world; viz, '''that God, the Father, and His Son Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith''' and authorized him to declare to the world the introduction of a new dispensation by which the people might be prepared for the fulness of times or when time should cease, and eternity enter upon its never-ending career.<br>
&mdash;''Young Woman’s Journal'', vol. 18, no. 12, December 1907, 537–39. {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cgi-bin/showfile.exe?CISOROOT=/YWJ&CISOPTR=15230&filename=1311409.pdf}} {{ea}}
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===20 October 1834: Edward Stevenson===
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Fifty-three years ago in the town of Pontiac, Oakland County and then Territory, but since State of Michigan when I was but thirteen years of age. I first met with Joseph Smith, the Prophet of this generation and of the nineteenth century. I shall never forget the impression then made upon pon me by his presence and voice. He was accompanied by the three witnesses before mentioned, and at public meetings all of them in turn bore testimony, and to us it was indeed a day of Pentecost. '''First the Prophet related how he was alone in the woods in secret prayer when a bright light began to shine around him (like unto Paul's vision) the brightness of which at first alarmed him, but his fear was soon dispelled by the tho voice of the Father introducing His Only Begotten Son to him, who spoke to the young man, and instructed him''' (see Zech., 2nd chap.) He also described the visit of the angel (three times during one night to his bed-chamber) who instructed im in the fullness of the everlasting Gospel...<br>
&mdash;''Millennial Star'', vol. 48, no. 22, 31 May 1886, 341 {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cgi-bin/showfile.exe?CISOROOT=/MStar&CISOPTR=28171&filename=28172.pdf}}; ''Juvenile Instructor'', vol. 29, no. 14 15 July 1894, 443–44.  {{ea}}
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===9 November 1835: Joseph Smith historical recounting===
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...I retired to the silent grove and bow[e]d down before the Lord, under a realising sense that he had said (if the bible be true) ask and you shall receive knock and it shall be opened seek and you shall find and again, if any man lack wisdom let him ask of God who giveth to all men libarally and upbradeth not; information was what I most desired at this time, and with a fixed determination to obtain it, I called upon the Lord for the first time, in the place above stated or in other words I made a fruitless attempt to p[r]ay, my toung seemed to be swolen in my mouth, so that I could not utter, I heard a noise behind me like some person walking towards me, I strove again to pray, but could not, the noise of walking seemed to draw nearer, I sprung up on my feet, <del>and</del> and looked around, but saw no person or thing that was calculated to produce the noise of walking, I kneeled again my mouth was opened and my toung liberated, and I called on the Lord in mighty prayer, a pillar of fire appeared above my head, it presently rested down upon me <del>head</del>, and filled me with Joy unspeakable, '''a personage appeard in the midst of this pillar of flame which was spread all around, and yet nothing consumed, another personage soon appeard like unto the first''', he said unto me thy sins are forgiven thee, he testified unto me that Jesus Christ is the Son of God; <ins>and I saw many angels in this vision</ins> I was about 14 years old when I received this first communication;...<br>
&mdash;Dean C. Jessee, Mark Ashurst-McGee, and Richard L. Jensen, eds., ''Journals, Vol. 1: 1832–1839'' (Salt Lake City: Church Historian’s Press, 2008), 87–88 {{ea}}.
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{{SeeAlso|Primary sources/Joseph Smith, Jr./First Vision accounts/1835}}

===13 November 1836: Kirtland Temple discourse ===
:Joseph Smith gave “a relation . . . of the rise of the Church and of his experience” inside the Kirtland Temple to “a vast concourse” of people (“4 or 5 hundred”). The Prophet “gave the history of these things, relating many particulars of the manner of his first visions, etc.” (Parley P. Pratt to the Elders and Brethren of the Church of Latter-day Saints in Canada, 27 November 1836, MS, Church Archives, Salt Lake City, Utah). Since Joseph had only one year previously referred to his experience in the grove with two personages as his “first communication . . . [or] vision,” he likely spoke about that event during this meeting. 

===August 1837: Mary Isabella Horne ===
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I feel greatly honored when I realize that I have had the privilege of personally entertaining this great man, of ministering to his temporal wants, of shaking hands with him, and listening to his voice. '''I heard him relate his first first vision, when the Father and Son appeared to him;''' also his receiving the gold plates from the Angel Moroni. This recital was given in compliance with a special request of a few particular friends in the home of Sister Walton whose house was ever open to the Saints. While he was relating the circumstances the Prophet's countenance lightened up , and so wonderful a power accompanied his words that everybody who heard them felt his influence and power , and none could doubt the truth of his narration.<br>
&mdash;''Woman’s Exponent'', vol. 39, no. 1, June 1910, 5–6. {{link|url=http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cgi-bin/showfile.exe?CISOROOT=/WomansExp&CISOPTR=22980&filename=22981.pdf}} {{ea}}
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[[pt:Pergunta: É verdade que não há nenhuma menção de Joseph Smith vendo o Pai eo Filho em qualquer jornal "contemporânea", diário, publicação LDS, ou a escrita de qualquer tipo até o ano de 1838?]]