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===Comparação dos críticos: Note-se que ambos os livros falam de dois mil jovens que foram à guerra<ref name="latewarcomparison">Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, "A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain," <nowiki>http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/</nowiki></ref>===
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===Critics' comparison: It is noted that both books talk of two thousand young men who went to war <ref name="latewarcomparison">Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, "A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain," <nowiki>http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/</nowiki></ref>===
 
[[File:Johnson comparison late war bom striplings.jpg|frame|700px|center|Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, ""A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain," <nowiki>http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/</nowiki>]]
 
[[File:Johnson comparison late war bom striplings.jpg|frame|700px|center|Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, ""A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain," <nowiki>http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/</nowiki>]]
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*Livro de Mórmon, Alma 53: 18-20: <span style="color:blue">dois mil desses jovens ... para defender seu país. ... tomaram suas armas de guerra, ... eram todos jovens e muito valorosos quanto à coragem,</span> ...<ref>Alma 53:18-20</ref>
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*Book of Mormon, Alma 53:18-20: <span style="color:blue">two thousand of those young men ... to defend their country. ... they took their weapons of war, ... were all young men, and they were exceeding valiant for courage,</span> ...<ref>Alma 53:18-20</ref>
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*A Última Guerra 35:5-6: <span style="color:red">dois mil homens robustos, que lutaram ... livremente para o seu país ... Ora, os homens de guerra ... ... eram homens de coragem destemida.</span>
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*The Late War 35:5-6: <span style="color:red">two thousand hardy men, who ... fought freely for their country ... Now the men of war ... were ... men of dauntless courage.</span>
  
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Os autores observam que "a última guerra não inclui a frase" jovens soldados ", como o Livro de Mórmon, no entanto, não compartilham o mesmo contexto como o Livro distintivo da história Mórmon: striplings na batalha, incluindo um grupo de 2.000 soldados corajosos que se oferecem em uma luta desesperada pela liberdade de seu país contra um rei opressivo (Amalickiah/King George III)."<ref name="latewarcomparison">Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, "A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain," <nowiki>http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/</nowiki></ref>
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The authors note that "The Late War does not include the phrase 'stripling soldiers' like the Book of Mormon; however, it does share the same context as the distinctive Book of Mormon story: striplings in battle, including a band of 2,000 courageous soldiers who volunteer in a desperate fight for the freedom of their country against an oppressive king (Amalickiah / King George III)."<ref name="latewarcomparison">Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, "A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain," <nowiki>http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/</nowiki></ref>
  
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===Comparação contexto completo: "striplings" não são mencionadas em conexão com a ''A Última Guerra'' "dois mil homens duros"===
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===Full context comparison: "striplings" are not mentioned in connection with the ''Late War's'' "two thousand hardy men"===
  
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Esta passagem do ''A Última Guerra'' não menciona "striplings" ou "jovens soldados".
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This passage from the ''Late War'' does not mention "striplings" or "stripling soldiers".
  
 
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18 Ora, eis que havia <span style="color:blue">dois mil desses jovens</span> que fizeram este convênio e pegaram em armas de guerra <span style="color:blue">para defender seu país.</span>
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18 Now behold, there were <span style="color:blue">two thousand of those young men</span>, who entered into this covenant and took their weapons of war <span style="color:blue">to defend their country.</span>
  
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19 E então eis que eles, além de nunca terem representado um peso para os nefitas, tornaram-se também, nessa ocasião, um grande apoio; porque <span style="color:blue">tomaram suas armas de guerra</span> e desejaram que Helamã fosse seu chefe.
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19 And now behold, as they never had hitherto been a disadvantage to the Nephites, they became now at this period of time also a great support; for <span style="color:blue">they took their weapons of war</span>, and they would that Helaman should be their leader.
  
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20 E <span style="color:blue">eram todos jovens e muito valorosos quanto à coragem</span> e também vigor e atividade; mas eis que isto não era tudo—eles eram homens fiéis em todas as ocasiões e em todas as coisas que lhes eram confiadas.
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20 And they <span style="color:blue">were all young men, and they were exceedingly valiant for courage,</span> and also for strength and activity; but behold, this was not all—they were men who were true at all times in whatsoever thing they were entrusted.
  
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21 Sim, eles eram homens íntegros e sóbrios, pois haviam aprendido a guardar os mandamentos de Deus e a andar retamente perante ele.
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21 Yea, they were men of truth and soberness, for they had been taught to keep the commandments of God and to walk uprightly before him.
  
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22 E então aconteceu que Helamã marchou à frente desses dois mil <span style="color:blue">jovens (striplings)</span> soldados, para ajudar o povo nas fronteiras da terra, ao sul, junto ao mar do oeste.
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22 And now it came to pass that Helaman did march at the head of his two thousand <span style="color:blue">stripling</span> soldiers, to the support of the people in the borders of the land on the south by the west sea.
 
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5 Imediatamente Jackson levou <span style="color:red">dois mil homens saudáveis, que</span> foram chamados voluntários, porque eles tinham, não solicitada, ofereceram seus serviços <span style="color:red">ao seu país</span>, e levou-os contra os selvagens.
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5 Immediately Jackson took <span style="color:red">two thousand hardy men, who</span> were called volunteers, because they had, unsolicited, offered their services <span style="color:red">to their country</span>, and led them against the savages.
  
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6 <span style="color:red">Ora, os homens de guerra</span> que o seguiam <span style="color:red">were</span> principalmente a partir do estado de Tennessee, e <span style="color:red">homens de coragem destemido</span>.
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6 <span style="color:red">Now the men of war</span> who followed after him <span style="color:red">were</span> mostly from the state of Tennessee, and <span style="color:red">men of dauntless courage</span>.
 
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===A definição do dicionário 1828 de Webster para a palavra "stripling" significa simplesmente "uma juventude no estado de adolescência"===
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===The 1828 Webster's dictionary definition for the word "stripling" simply means "a youth in the state of adolescence"===
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===A palavra "stripling" não tem nenhuma associação particular, com guerra ou guerreiros. Refere-se simplesmente a um adolescente===
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2 E os vasos de guerra de Columbia que estavam sobre as águas do lago ainda não estavam preparados para a batalha; o nome de seu comandante era M'Donough, um <span style="color:red">adolescente (stripling).</span>
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2 And the vessels of war of Columbia that were upon the waters of the lake were not yet prepared for the battle; the name of their commander was M'Donough, a <span style="color:red">stripling.</span>
 
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Question: Does Gilbert Hunt's The Late War talk of 2000 "striplings" who go to war?

Critics' comparison: It is noted that both books talk of two thousand young men who went to war [1]

Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, ""A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain," http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/
  • Book of Mormon, Alma 53:18-20: two thousand of those young men ... to defend their country. ... they took their weapons of war, ... were all young men, and they were exceeding valiant for courage, ...[2]
  • The Late War 35:5-6: two thousand hardy men, who ... fought freely for their country ... Now the men of war ... were ... men of dauntless courage.

The authors note that "The Late War does not include the phrase 'stripling soldiers' like the Book of Mormon; however, it does share the same context as the distinctive Book of Mormon story: striplings in battle, including a band of 2,000 courageous soldiers who volunteer in a desperate fight for the freedom of their country against an oppressive king (Amalickiah / King George III)."[1]

Full context comparison: "striplings" are not mentioned in connection with the Late War's "two thousand hardy men"

This passage from the Late War does not mention "striplings" or "stripling soldiers".

Alma 53:18-22:

18 Now behold, there were two thousand of those young men, who entered into this covenant and took their weapons of war to defend their country.

19 And now behold, as they never had hitherto been a disadvantage to the Nephites, they became now at this period of time also a great support; for they took their weapons of war, and they would that Helaman should be their leader.

20 And they were all young men, and they were exceedingly valiant for courage, and also for strength and activity; but behold, this was not all—they were men who were true at all times in whatsoever thing they were entrusted.

21 Yea, they were men of truth and soberness, for they had been taught to keep the commandments of God and to walk uprightly before him.

22 And now it came to pass that Helaman did march at the head of his two thousand stripling soldiers, to the support of the people in the borders of the land on the south by the west sea.

The Late War Chapter 35 (p.126):

5 Immediately Jackson took two thousand hardy men, who were called volunteers, because they had, unsolicited, offered their services to their country, and led them against the savages.

6 Now the men of war who followed after him were mostly from the state of Tennessee, and men of dauntless courage.

The 1828 Webster's dictionary definition for the word "stripling" simply means "a youth in the state of adolescence"

From Noah Webster's 1828 dictionary:

STRIPLING, n. [from strip, stripe; primarily a tall slender youth, one that shoots up suddenly. ] A youth in the state of adolescence, or just passing from

The word "stripling" has no particular association with war or warriors. It simply refers to an adolescent

In order to find the word "stripling," one must go to back to Chapter 19:32, or Chapter 28:2:

The Late War Chapter 19 (p. 69):

32 About this time, a stripling from the south, with his weapon of war in his hand, ran up to Zebulon, and spake unto him, saying

The Late War, Chapter 28 (p. 99):

2 And the vessels of war of Columbia that were upon the waters of the lake were not yet prepared for the battle; the name of their commander was M'Donough, a stripling.


Notas

  1. ↑ 1,0 1,1 Chris Johnson, Duane Johnson, "A Comparison of The Book of Mormon and The Late War Between the United States and Great Britain," http://wordtreefoundation.github.io/thelatewar/
  2. ↑ Alma 53:18-20
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